Comments on: Restricted Parking http://firstflooriowa.com/2008/04/25/restricted-parking/ Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:45:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Morgan Engling http://firstflooriowa.com/2008/04/25/restricted-parking/#comment-332 Morgan Engling Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:54:41 +0000 http://firstfloor.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-332 Which is another gripe, but we'll save that for later. ;) Which is another gripe, but we’ll save that for later. ;)

]]> By: Hilkin http://firstflooriowa.com/2008/04/25/restricted-parking/#comment-330 Hilkin Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:02:52 +0000 http://firstfloor.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-330 Oh wait, the library isn't open till midnight on the weekends...nevermind:) Oh wait, the library isn’t open till midnight on the weekends…nevermind:)

]]> By: Hilkin http://firstflooriowa.com/2008/04/25/restricted-parking/#comment-329 Hilkin Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:27:47 +0000 http://firstfloor.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-329 Morgan- I would support that towing idea. The only thing I'd suggest is to push back the tow time to 1 so it is after the library is closed. Morgan- I would support that towing idea. The only thing I’d suggest is to push back the tow time to 1 so it is after the library is closed.

]]> By: Emily Winfield http://firstflooriowa.com/2008/04/25/restricted-parking/#comment-326 Emily Winfield Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:34:01 +0000 http://firstfloor.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-326 Yeah, Morgan, I've never understood why they don't do that, either. The University has maximized every possible opportunity for profiting off of parking violations...how could they have missed this golden opportunity for BOTH a parking ticket AND a tow violation? My guess? Team 'Pink-bum' has connections at the University Parking Office.....organized crime--its everywhere these days Yeah, Morgan, I’ve never understood why they don’t do that, either. The University has maximized every possible opportunity for profiting off of parking violations…how could they have missed this golden opportunity for BOTH a parking ticket AND a tow violation? My guess? Team ‘Pink-bum’ has connections at the University Parking Office…..organized crime–its everywhere these days

]]> By: Morgan Engling http://firstflooriowa.com/2008/04/25/restricted-parking/#comment-325 Morgan Engling Sun, 27 Apr 2008 05:44:38 +0000 http://firstfloor.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-325 Here's a thought: don't make it permit parking during the day or anything. But come midnight, tow those undergrads the hell out of that lot. There's no reason anyone should be parked in the lot overnight. Then they won't park there all weekend. Here’s a thought: don’t make it permit parking during the day or anything. But come midnight, tow those undergrads the hell out of that lot. There’s no reason anyone should be parked in the lot overnight. Then they won’t park there all weekend.

]]> By: Morgan Engling http://firstflooriowa.com/2008/04/25/restricted-parking/#comment-298 Morgan Engling Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:00:43 +0000 http://firstfloor.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-298 Point is, they're not using the lot to come to the library to study. The kids studying here are probably Hillcrest kids who are walking. I'm annoyed with the friends who come to visit on the weekends and leave their cars in our lot. And empty Busch Light cubes and other various assortments of litter. Point is, they’re not using the lot to come to the library to study. The kids studying here are probably Hillcrest kids who are walking. I’m annoyed with the friends who come to visit on the weekends and leave their cars in our lot. And empty Busch Light cubes and other various assortments of litter.

]]> By: brieanne http://firstflooriowa.com/2008/04/25/restricted-parking/#comment-296 brieanne Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:49:44 +0000 http://firstfloor.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-296 Mike: Technically, undergrads don't "have" to park at the law school. I didn't have a car for all of my undergrad career (albeit at a very different university) and I did fine. The way I understand it, Iowa's Cambus serves all the major dorms and a lot of the undergrad off-campus enclaves. Plus, there are several designated undergrad lots with shuttle service to and from that undergrads can park their cars at on weekends. Many law and professional students live in areas not served by the Cambus, so driving is the only option. I'm also willing to "go there" and say we should have access to greater parking privileges than undergrads across the board--faculty get more access than students, so why shouldn't graduate students get put somewhere between faculty and undergrads? Not full law parking lot privileges, but we should be able to trump the undergrads on nights and weekends just based on seniority. Another weird thing, totally unrelated, parking-wise: visiting faculty don't get permits for the faculty lot. My admin prof was talking about his treacherous walk through the rain and hail from downtown the other day. Sad. The administration can't cough up at least a few Myrtle permits for them? Mike: Technically, undergrads don’t “have” to park at the law school. I didn’t have a car for all of my undergrad career (albeit at a very different university) and I did fine. The way I understand it, Iowa’s Cambus serves all the major dorms and a lot of the undergrad off-campus enclaves. Plus, there are several designated undergrad lots with shuttle service to and from that undergrads can park their cars at on weekends. Many law and professional students live in areas not served by the Cambus, so driving is the only option.

I’m also willing to “go there” and say we should have access to greater parking privileges than undergrads across the board–faculty get more access than students, so why shouldn’t graduate students get put somewhere between faculty and undergrads? Not full law parking lot privileges, but we should be able to trump the undergrads on nights and weekends just based on seniority.

Another weird thing, totally unrelated, parking-wise: visiting faculty don’t get permits for the faculty lot. My admin prof was talking about his treacherous walk through the rain and hail from downtown the other day. Sad. The administration can’t cough up at least a few Myrtle permits for them?

]]> By: Steve Wieland http://firstflooriowa.com/2008/04/25/restricted-parking/#comment-295 Steve Wieland Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:46:51 +0000 http://firstfloor.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-295 Mike, you just like being a contrarian. I don't care if students come into the law school, they just need to stay out of our parking lot. Also, the point about disabilities is that sometimes people who cannot walk very far need parking. Period. Whether the health center is available doesn't help much when you need access to your school. Yes, students who can contribute more money to the University are exactly who a responsible school administration should be looking out for. Athletes generate revenue. Have you seen that tutoring building devoted solely to holding D1 athletes' hands through college? Also, compare the Public Health school to the Business School. There's a reason one of those is situated in a palace and the other is tucked away somewhere to keep the hippies out of sight. There are some brilliant students here who could transfer up to a different law school if they wanted--or graduate and refuse to give back. Mike, you just like being a contrarian. I don’t care if students come into the law school, they just need to stay out of our parking lot.

Also, the point about disabilities is that sometimes people who cannot walk very far need parking. Period. Whether the health center is available doesn’t help much when you need access to your school.

Yes, students who can contribute more money to the University are exactly who a responsible school administration should be looking out for. Athletes generate revenue. Have you seen that tutoring building devoted solely to holding D1 athletes’ hands through college?

Also, compare the Public Health school to the Business School. There’s a reason one of those is situated in a palace and the other is tucked away somewhere to keep the hippies out of sight. There are some brilliant students here who could transfer up to a different law school if they wanted–or graduate and refuse to give back.

]]> By: Hilkin http://firstflooriowa.com/2008/04/25/restricted-parking/#comment-290 Hilkin Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:49:29 +0000 http://firstfloor.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-290 1) Morgan: Ha!:) Unfortunately, A) I'm in bed by 11 almost every night, and B) I don't drive to school--I walk 25 minutes to school every day. Somehow, someway, I have survived. But maybe it's why I have the body weight of a 12 year old boy . . . 2) Emily- The difference between the day care centers and the dorms is that the day care centers are private facilities--the attendees there don't carry U of I student id's. Undergrads do. And the BLB is simply another building on our large campus (at least in my view) Besides, how do you propose to protect the BLB from the undergrads? Is it really feasible to create the BLB into some kind of "gated community" unlike any other educational building on campus that I know of? And have we even made a strong argument that undergrads actually impede upon our ability to study, or merely impede upon our collective sense of entitlement to an environment without them? I think we've established that the vast majority of undergrads cower in fear that they will be caught--they don't create a big stink in the library (besides breaking a rule they probably don't know about) and they are generally far quieter than a lot of us are on the fourth floor (for example, I am more obnoxious than an undergrad when I am on the fourth floor--especially after a couple Red Bulls--am I banned from the lounge?) 3) As for the "we will give back to the school" argument: And the undergrads won't? And we're gonna make more money later, so we are more worthy of unique treatment now? Arguments like this simply reek of the worst kind of elitism. Who are we to say that our contributions to Iowa are more valuable than those of undergrads? Each department benefits our university; I'm certainly not going to say that my law degree is more important and worthy of respect than an english or business major. 4) As for law students with disabilities but no parking pass--That's their own fault. Part of our fees goes toward paying for access to the student health center; if you need a pass, make an appointment (at no extra cost to you) and get one--if you choose not to get a parking pass, that's your problem, not the U of I parking department's. 5) The safety arguments--This is the best argument y'all got. I understand where you are coming from on this one. But here's where it breaks down for me. If the undergrads don't park in our lot on the weekends, I guess they'll have to park in Myrtle. Is their safety less important than ours? If there is a real safety problem, we must address it as a University problem, not a law school parking problem. I personally don't think that undergrads should have cars on campus, but I bet I was in the minority of students without a car during my undergrad years. 1) Morgan: Ha!:) Unfortunately, A) I’m in bed by 11 almost every night, and B) I don’t drive to school–I walk 25 minutes to school every day. Somehow, someway, I have survived. But maybe it’s why I have the body weight of a 12 year old boy . . .
2) Emily- The difference between the day care centers and the dorms is that the day care centers are private facilities–the attendees there don’t carry U of I student id’s. Undergrads do. And the BLB is simply another building on our large campus (at least in my view) Besides, how do you propose to protect the BLB from the undergrads? Is it really feasible to create the BLB into some kind of “gated community” unlike any other educational building on campus that I know of? And have we even made a strong argument that undergrads actually impede upon our ability to study, or merely impede upon our collective sense of entitlement to an environment without them? I think we’ve established that the vast majority of undergrads cower in fear that they will be caught–they don’t create a big stink in the library (besides breaking a rule they probably don’t know about) and they are generally far quieter than a lot of us are on the fourth floor (for example, I am more obnoxious than an undergrad when I am on the fourth floor–especially after a couple Red Bulls–am I banned from the lounge?)
3) As for the “we will give back to the school” argument: And the undergrads won’t? And we’re gonna make more money later, so we are more worthy of unique treatment now? Arguments like this simply reek of the worst kind of elitism. Who are we to say that our contributions to Iowa are more valuable than those of undergrads? Each department benefits our university; I’m certainly not going to say that my law degree is more important and worthy of respect than an english or business major.
4) As for law students with disabilities but no parking pass–That’s their own fault. Part of our fees goes toward paying for access to the student health center; if you need a pass, make an appointment (at no extra cost to you) and get one–if you choose not to get a parking pass, that’s your problem, not the U of I parking department’s.
5) The safety arguments–This is the best argument y’all got. I understand where you are coming from on this one. But here’s where it breaks down for me. If the undergrads don’t park in our lot on the weekends, I guess they’ll have to park in Myrtle. Is their safety less important than ours? If there is a real safety problem, we must address it as a University problem, not a law school parking problem. I personally don’t think that undergrads should have cars on campus, but I bet I was in the minority of students without a car during my undergrad years.

]]> By: Emily Winfield http://firstflooriowa.com/2008/04/25/restricted-parking/#comment-289 Emily Winfield Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:01:08 +0000 http://firstfloor.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-289 Morgan: Consider it done. I plan on clearing out every 24 hour convenience store, express market and Superdrug before I'm forced to leave gummie heaven. I feel a sort of duty to share the puffy-good-deliciousness with our half of the world...finding quality Haribo gummies in the States is an exercise in patience and diligence and let's be honest--finals is NOT the time to start being a better person. Morgan: Consider it done. I plan on clearing out every 24 hour convenience store, express market and Superdrug before I’m forced to leave gummie heaven. I feel a sort of duty to share the puffy-good-deliciousness with our half of the world…finding quality Haribo gummies in the States is an exercise in patience and diligence and let’s be honest–finals is NOT the time to start being a better person.

]]> By: Morgan Engling http://firstflooriowa.com/2008/04/25/restricted-parking/#comment-288 Morgan Engling Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:17:20 +0000 http://firstfloor.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-288 Winfield: bring the puffy strawberry Haribo gummies. LOVE them. I'll trade my delicious bag of Swedish Fish. Winfield: bring the puffy strawberry Haribo gummies. LOVE them. I’ll trade my delicious bag of Swedish Fish.

]]> By: Emily Winfield http://firstflooriowa.com/2008/04/25/restricted-parking/#comment-287 Emily Winfield Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:06:41 +0000 http://firstfloor.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-287 Mike--there's a big difference between expecting the BLB to be a refuge and establishing reasonable boundaries to facilitate legal studies. The BLB is also right across the street from two child care centers but we don't encourage fingerpainting and hide-and-seek in the building, either (of course, no one can be held accountable for the caffeine-induced debauchery of law students). Not trying to be a brat, but as professional students, who, as Steve rightly points out, will contribute to the University so forth and so on, we have a reasonable expectation to a building that is conducive to studying. The safety issue with the Myrtle lot continues to be an issue, has always been an isssue, and unfortunately, its starting to seem like it will continue to be an issue until our legitimate fears are realized. I think its outrageous that the University continues to ignore our concerns. If they aren't willing to police the lot then provide a shuttle service from BLB to the Myrtle lot, running every thirty minutes from sun down until the library closes. Provide an escort, buy us pitbulls...I don't know..do SOMETHING. Sara, I have booked my plane ticket home in reliance on your offer to share your poptarts. And I've packed a couple extra bags of Haribo gummies...be excited. Mike–there’s a big difference between expecting the BLB to be a refuge and establishing reasonable boundaries to facilitate legal studies. The BLB is also right across the street from two child care centers but we don’t encourage fingerpainting and hide-and-seek in the building, either (of course, no one can be held accountable for the caffeine-induced debauchery of law students). Not trying to be a brat, but as professional students, who, as Steve rightly points out, will contribute to the University so forth and so on, we have a reasonable expectation to a building that is conducive to studying.

The safety issue with the Myrtle lot continues to be an issue, has always been an isssue, and unfortunately, its starting to seem like it will continue to be an issue until our legitimate fears are realized. I think its outrageous that the University continues to ignore our concerns. If they aren’t willing to police the lot then provide a shuttle service from BLB to the Myrtle lot, running every thirty minutes from sun down until the library closes. Provide an escort, buy us pitbulls…I don’t know..do SOMETHING.

Sara, I have booked my plane ticket home in reliance on your offer to share your poptarts. And I’ve packed a couple extra bags of Haribo gummies…be excited.

]]> By: Morgan Engling http://firstflooriowa.com/2008/04/25/restricted-parking/#comment-286 Morgan Engling Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:34:35 +0000 http://firstfloor.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-286 100% in agreement with Brie, and also with the fact that walking to Myrtle at night suuuucks. I'll admit I park in the law lot to go to the Field House for practice, but only because I've already been studying here for hours, and then come BACK to my carrel after. Hilkin, you can come to BLB and give me a ride to my car then around midnight, k sweetiepie? ;) 100% in agreement with Brie, and also with the fact that walking to Myrtle at night suuuucks. I’ll admit I park in the law lot to go to the Field House for practice, but only because I’ve already been studying here for hours, and then come BACK to my carrel after. Hilkin, you can come to BLB and give me a ride to my car then around midnight, k sweetiepie? ;)

]]> By: Steve Wieland http://firstflooriowa.com/2008/04/25/restricted-parking/#comment-285 Steve Wieland Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:16:10 +0000 http://firstfloor.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-285 Also, we're professional students, we are on a different tuition plan, we will give back to the University some day. We need to be in the building at all hours, and walking to and from Myrtle at night understandably makes people nervous. The parking people can add one more lot to their weekend rounds. Imagine what would happen if they actually advertised the availability of parking at the law school to undergrads. We'd never be able to use it. Also, we’re professional students, we are on a different tuition plan, we will give back to the University some day. We need to be in the building at all hours, and walking to and from Myrtle at night understandably makes people nervous.

The parking people can add one more lot to their weekend rounds. Imagine what would happen if they actually advertised the availability of parking at the law school to undergrads. We’d never be able to use it.

]]> By: Steve Wieland http://firstflooriowa.com/2008/04/25/restricted-parking/#comment-284 Steve Wieland Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:13:47 +0000 http://firstfloor.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-284 Mike, not everyone who is disabled has a disabled parking permit. Mike, not everyone who is disabled has a disabled parking permit.

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